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Ye olde english

Postby Hope on 06 Mar 2005, 11:10

Bitte eine Frage an alle angrenzenden Anglizisten (*g*):

Wo kann man sich online einigermassen gepflegt und sprachwissenschaftlich fundiert
über den korrekten Gebrauch von altenglischen Wörtern wie "thou", "thee", "ye" etcetc. informieren?
Falls unsachgemässe Verwendung dieser Dinger nicht eh unter 'Peinlicher Strafe' der MAO (Militante Anglisten Org.) steht.... ;)
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Postby Tintalvar on 11 Mar 2005, 12:40

:wink: da der kreis der anglisten hier doch recht eng ist, schätz ich , ich darf schon mal ganz voreilig antworten ;)


:!: grundsätzlich musst mit "altenglisch" vorsichtiger umgehen, weil das eine bestimmte epoche des englischen meint, die noch weiter zurückliegt als die, aus der die formen sind, die du anführst ;)
*gnart, gnart*
ich weiss... ;)
*grins*


:!: was du meinst ist spätes middle english (nach normannen) und besonders early modern english (think shakespeare, my friend)...
da ich gerade ein paar minuten zeit hab, krall ich mir jetzt mein buch über The History of the English Language und geb dir eine kurzinfo, ok? :)

:arrow: die pronomina, die wir heute kennen, sind erst im 16.jhd so entstanden: die th-formen (thou/thy/thee) wurden nicht mehr benützt, you ersetzt ye als nominativ und its wird als possessiv von it eingeführt

:arrow: urpsrünglich thou/ye einfach unterscheidung in zahl (sgl/pl)
- ab 13.jhd: sgl-form für vertraute personen, kinder und untergebene verwendet, pl als respektsform ggüber höherstehenden personen (wahrscheinlich durch frz bei hofe beeinflusst)...
respektsform für immer mehr personen aus höflichkeit verwendet, bis de facto nur noch ye/your/you im alltag
- ab 16.jhd: alte sgl form fast völlig verschwunden (außer bei quäkern bis ins 20.jhd!)

:arrow: ursprünglich klare unterscheidung ye (nom) und you (obj)
- da beide formen oft unbetont, beide als [j(e)] ausgesprochen
- daher verwechslung zwischen nom und acc/obj, ab 14.jhd you auch als nom zu finden und ye auch als obj
- schließlich beide formen gleichbedeutend in verwendung und ye verschwindet langsam
- im 16.jhd manche autoren noch absichtlich alte unterscheidungen bewahrt (auch bibel), shakespeare verwendet beide pronomina wie er will (böser bube *S*)
- gefühl für unterscheidung schwindet und ab 17.jhd heutiger zustand endgültig erreicht (you für alles)


:arrow: die it-geschichte erspar ich dir, ok? :)
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Postby Kenshin on 09 Apr 2005, 12:05

*verwirrt* :-)

thou mayest say so, my lord, but i do not grok what you art explaining :)
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